Bad and abusive parents do abound- thanks to the engineered collapse of the biological family, and the promotion of the immoral and unethical secular-progressive-humanist culture. A master teacher, and founder of two opera companies, Moira can teach you to sing, or to play the harp. My mother molested me from ages 3-12. But someone needed to say it. Every time someone tried to doubt my story, a hundred people would shout them down. I don’t think you’re even reading my posts, or just skimming and inserting your own ideas of what you want me to say in order to have a debate on a topic you want to express your views about, or you’re just thoroughly committed to misunderstanding me. That doesn’t mean that other major religions fail to be in synch with evolutionary biological facts, only that Christianity seems to be most congruent with them. We can strive to fight against the principalities and powers with this revelation . The gay lobby is using every tactic possible . No science would support that . Naturally, I had been brought up to be completely tolerant. She was 26 when she got involved with my mother, and told me later she felt she had been “molested” by my mother. Wow- so much disinformation, such little space and time: “The biological/evolutionary argument doesn’t explain much except that it takes a female egg and a male sperm to reproduce.”. Between the time of my reports of father’s offense and my nameless male relative’s, I went and got a Bachelor of Music Performance, and had a career as a wedding harpist and singer, then I married and had children, then I got a Master of Music Performance, and since 2007 I have mainly taught voice and harp and directed operas with two opera companies I founded: one in Southern CA and one in Northern CA. I do believe we are in an end times scenario where lines are being drawn and the choice will be between God and the world . Epic That’s my experience. We’ve still got some problems but they pale into insignificance after the learning and insight God in Christ gave us a few years back . O’Boyle writes: Although I would describe myself in a more simple way than that . We still use the weapons at our disposal : evidence , presupposition and philosophy ( Christian teaching ). He told me unequivocally that no man would ever want me, because all men are secretly gay and have simply not come to terms with their natural homosexuality. I am saying that when Atheists use their god to criticize the Christian or any major religions’ God to shut down their opponents debate, they need to be reminded that their god is far less rational and far more harmful to humanity than any of the other major religions God. WHAT BIASED AND BAD RESEARCH???? To atheists, this makes no difference, and most proponents of SSM are atheist. I also made an album of Celtic music. If you search back on my contributions at ATB you will find that other than the obvious and ever-so testable hypothesis (lie) that ‘gayness exists quite naturally in nature’, you will see the biological argument resulting in either the huffy “…I’m leaving here because you’re all just bigots…” or the “…you’re just a Christian in disguise and thus a bigot and hater…” or “….see those social studies supporting SS’M’…”, and/or any other silly unresponsive emotional ‘response’, but the one that kills the biological argument on its own biological merits (which simply does not exist in reality), and that is the myth that same-sex individuals pair to form family bonds, which in turn provide the foundation for societies- which ensures the fitness of the species, which provides the foundation for the most fit society in human history. Fact: Why Science and Religion Are Incompatible). I think there are better ways to facilitate discussion with the opposition. Why not just stick to comparing oneself with the beasts instead of comparing others? Oh Big, Big, Big, You have no proof of this. You write: Get used to it my friend . You have less of a measurable foundation on which to claim that IF you are a non-biological parent THEN you will be a good parent. But a good part of my outspokenness is my refusal to accept the notion that “deep down I must be a boy born in a girl’s body.” I am not. Secondly , the universe , stars planets etc the earth itself is formed directly by God . Big and Jae, is there any way you could exchange emails and continue your discussion privately? For the most part I trust people to police themselves when it comes to interacting, and indeed when they don’t it reveals more about them than anyone else. Why is everyone arguing so much on this woman’s post? On what basis is our discernment of right and wrong? Therefore the universe has a cause . ( Log Out / While evolution can explain much of our history and our destiny, it can only address the material element of our lives. I suppose I find myself wondering why Christians, with Christianity, solely, being the philosophical foundation for western civilization, not all those other religions, are being singled out for attack? Fact: If SS’M’ was so darned good for the species it simply would have evolved and you would not have had to distort the US Constitution to force it on our society. The Atheist has yet to identify their source of these inalienable rights. Having said that, I think the atheistic liberals now own the media, Hollywood, and the public school system. I was, to my shock, believed. Everything in the armour must be used . If you think I am wrong, that is your privilege, but watch out for the VAST number of stories of sexual abuse AND transgenderism that will come about from these gay “marriages.” Already the statistics for sexual abuse of children of gays are astronomically high compared to that suffered by the children of straights. https://askthebigot.com/2015/07/23/the-story-of-moira-greyland-guest-post And let’s not forget the Crusades, burning “witches” at the stake, and other atrocities committed by the church. How many animal species routinely engage in fratricide, infanticide, sexual violence or cannibalism? You write: “Your lament that monogamy is having trouble ‘sticking’ and that biological families are suffering abuses is the height of hypocrisy since that is exactly the outcome the left engineered for the past two generations. Brendan, actually, truth be told, not even animals of higher order (mammals, avians) prey so upon their own offspring nor engage in unnatural sexuality. Their very own god, borne via the ‘science’ of biology, thoroughly repudiates their ridiculous claims, and their equally ridiculous redefinitions of the reality of all matter. Today’s elites present a false dichotomy of faith vs. science (example in Current Biology: http://www.cell.com/current-biology/fulltext/S0960-9822%2815%2900743-5 You write: “How many animal species routinely engage in fratricide, infanticide, sexual violence or cannibalism? I think they use their opposition to religion in response to all the religious arguments used against their beliefs. Christ believed the same . The majority of biological parents are good, thus, we have a fit species and a fit society as evidence of that fact. All sin is offensive to God. My faith has sustained me . My mother was Marion Zimmer Bradley, and my father was Walter Breen. Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. He wants people to learn to trust the soundness of evidence and arguments, just like every mature thinker must learn to do, and to distrust fallacious or groundless claims. Epicabundance will not be stopping the debate by seemingly calling me self righteous . Your responses to me don’t even make sense in light of what I’m saying. However what do know so far ? I grew up watching my father have “romances” (in his imagination) with boys who were a source of frustration because they always wanted food and money as a result of the sex they were subjected to, and didn’t want HIM. I can’t really think of a better way (maybe others can?) When the warped leftist ideologues decided that the best way to collapse western society, the most free and fair society in human history, was to dissemble the family, as it approves of dissembling babies in utero for financial gains, they targeted the traditional, natural biological family since that is the social unit at the core of western civilization. My mother was an icy, violent monster whose voice twisted up my stomach. Jae Why are we using this post as a venue for arguments, when Katy has so many other posts for this type of discussion? You have to exercise faith to do science: faith in induction, in logic, and in the human mind’s reliable access to external reality. You started with one difference of opinion and added a second. Also on this blog it may be difficult to say but it has to be said that homosexuality that includes sexual activity is sin . She certainly cannot have a basis for objectivity from her either her atheistic ,agnostic or sceptical standpoint . Parenting involves much more than biology; there are many, many, many examples of poor or even abusive parenting by biological parents. Even Jae , you and I . We’re just not going to win the argument on religious/philosophical grounds. ( Log Out / I just don’t think using the religious/philosophical arguments is going to be effective in reaching the opposition. You may feel righteous about being vocal about your faith, but what will it matter if your words fall on deaf ears? It is Marion Bradley’s book from which the book title is drawn. I will be doing the same and I will not be deterred by your opposition or by anyone else’s opposition in here . How can that possibly be helpful? “We think that maybe fathers are doing things that are conducive to their children’s learning, but in a different way,” one of the researchers says. I hope they all find the strength and courage to speak out about their experiences. However, the Bible does not describe homosexuality as a “greater” sin than any other. Email Moira at moiragreyland@me.com for details. I’ve been through life’s hurts and I have to say that at long last I’ve come through . Revelation is truth . I don’t see how refuting the claims of ideologues who cling to biological/evolutionary arguments against SS pairings based partially on what they claim is observable in the animal kingdom…. When people continue in sin and unbelief, God “gives them over” to even more wicked and depraved sin in order to show them the futility and hopelessness of life apart from God. With her cold admissions, nobody could put much of ANYTHING past her. I think even the secular science demonstrates human exceptionalism. My wife has been the best help I could ever imagine besides my God . You’d have a hard time proving that human beings are monogamous, as Jae claims. Permitting distortions, sans any evidence, to elevate one over the other is akin to permitting the distortion of truths about biology, such as that ‘gay’ animals exist. Not my circus: not my monkeys. JJ I give up. In my view we already have independent thinking on the subject of human exceptionalism. Why on earth would you use the very thing they find the most ridiculous to persuade them? You will need to prove your assertion that my factual claim is just an opinion. Those rights are sourced to the Christian God. How do you explain that to the left? That doesn’t discourage others from debating . There were six Johnny Does at my father’s trial, who would not testify, and two victims, who did. The universe began to exist . Like us? The differences in parenting styles between moms and dads gives children a more balanced development. Now, whether that fact is by design or accidental, I can’t say- I can only point out the readily observable, and therefore, testable, for consideration. It has nothing to do with good parenting, which does not seem to be instinctive in humans. Could it be that good parenting involves more than biology? But there’s the million dollar question: how to appeal to emotional reasoning? Author, Moira Greyland, has been raised up in a most modern possible house: with mother declared feminist and later on lesbian, and father gay, devoted to promotion of the ideas of the free love. Maybe it doesn’t tell the whole story about the things you’re arguing about, but it is nevertheless part of the story and it is important. And when that debate happens, all the atheists have in their quiver is a highly unlikely theory and too many examples of immoral and unethical societies based in Atheism, while Christians can cite the grandeur of western civilization, which for over two millennia has witnessed far fewer moral and ethical bumps and warts than did/does Atheism in one century, alone (fact, orders of magnitude higher). Lewis. The plan of one man one woman was there from the start . I certainly think that one acts against nature when one engages in same sex parenting. your good . We most certainly do Not need to leave God out of the argument. The Catholic Geek show returns this Sunday, with host Declan Finn interviewing Moira Greyland Peat, the author of The Last Closet. Oh but wait , secular science does support it . Being a biological parent has been proven biologically to be the optimal parenting condition required for a fit species and a fit society. It doesn’t just form spontaneously from matter . The Duty of the Adult to the Child | The Orthosphere, http://www.livescience.com/51284-fathers-mothers-parent-differently.html, http://m.livescience.com/51245-what-is-ethnicity-racial-identity.html, http://www.cell.com/current-biology/fulltext/S0960-9822%2815%2900743-5, http://phys.org/news/2015-08-vanity-predatory-academic-publishers-corrupting.html, Magicians of the Outer Right, Part Zwei – Power Plays | The Mitrailleuse, http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.tree.2009.03.014, http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0169534709001542, http://www.elsevier.com/connect/8-reasons-i-accepted-your-article, Goodbye AskTheBigot, Hello Them Before Us. THE LAST CLOSET is also an inspiring story of survival. Everyone comeson here with a bias . I always assume that everyone is sincere in their posts . Articles in TREE are short mini-reviews or opinion pieces that do not contain original data. Moira Greyland Peat is the author of THE LAST CLOSET, a story of survival. Academia impresses me far, far less than does nature. It’s pretty easy to do Google searches on all these points so I’ll leave you to do your own research as I have done. I also think vbigelow’s arguments are solely research based -biased and bad research at that . If you doubt me, research “age of consent” “Twinks,” “ageism” and the writings of the NUMEROUS authors on the Left who believe that early sexuality is somehow “beneficial” for children. We’re on the same side of the fence on traditional marriage, so there’s no need to post articles and arguments proving why it’s best for children and society. Where is our evolutionary history are there good non-biological and SS parents? I am a girl reviled for being a girl, who tried very hard to be the “boy” they wanted. I am, incredibly, NOT ALLOWED to blame their homosexuality for their absolute willingness to accept all sex at all times between all people. I am not to be labelled. It’s hard to see as an insider but glaringly obvious from the outside, and it disgusts and repels people.) ( Log Out / In addition, dads train kids to take a hurt bravely, and prepare for the real world. An Author Interview with Moira Greyland Peat by Tamara Wilhite Liberty Island Magazine ^ | July 29th, 2019 | Tamara Wilhite Posted on 03/31/2021 1:42:37 PM PDT by tbw2. So God can create two human beings who were told that marriage is only between a man and woman and that they were to procreate and multiply . It's a good reminder that abuse knows no religion. We’ve also been unsuccessful at forcing Atheists to identify the source of their morals and ethics- is it themselves, a state or statist, some historical figure, scientist or a Hollywood actor? My mother became a lesbian because she was raped by her father. This is inconsistency . VB: “Dark side?” My point is that human beings generally do not aspire to live like wild animals. Didn’t catch your drift in the next two paragraphs, so I’ll move on. Change ), You are commenting using your Facebook account. I also focused too much of my attention on what other Christians thought of me . I’d say we all have had issues at some stage or are having issues right now . Christ is our standard . Its exactly as described by Moira Greyland. Fascinating discussion and I am so pleased to be able to participate in it. At no time did I try to get justice for myself, because in my moral structure I was the protector of others and I loved my father very much. ” Good parenting begins with biology since that happens to be the biological definition of ‘parent’. The Yale Scientific is an undergraduate science publication focusing on Yale science departments. © Moira Stern. The novels of Marion Zimmer Bradley have been influential for Dianic Wiccans . Epic- mine is the biological argument against SS’M’ and ‘parenting’. Im fighting that and in on here to give hope to those who hurt . In a just world, both of them would have been institutionalized. The other context in which I knew Marion was the Center for Non-Traditional Religion. SS’M’ advocates and their supporters, including the SCOTUS, relied on emotional arguments, and flat out lies, to ‘rationalize’ their case for SS’M’. child abuse, isaac bonewits, moira greyland, neglect, neopagan, pagan, sexual assault A link round-up for the sources and articles referred to during Episode 002. Really? Was she born gay, and is now living in “denial” of her “true nature” as the gays would have it, or was she besotted in a childish way with my mother, who did what celebrities do, and took advantage of her innocence and emotional infantility? Also, the way you dismiss my evidence-based arguments (Good parenting is more than biology; SS parents are good parents): you write: “vbigelow’s arguments are solely research based -biased and bad research at that .” REALLY?????? Editor’s Note: Our good friend, Moira Greyland, an abuse survivor and author of the hard to read, but very important The Last Closet, agreed to share her thoughts on the evil show Cuties, which is available on Netflix. Therefore the universe has a cause . The Catholic Geek: The Last Closet, by Moira Greyland 12/17, The Catholic Geek: The Last Closet, by Moira Greyland 12/17 by We Built That Network | Books Podcasts, The Baen Free Library: "Hey, Kid, the First Taste is Free! The perfect post to put perspective on international transgender day and the erosion of … The religious-philosophical immaterial element of the debate is as biological and evolutionary as is the material element of the debate, and it is as easy to prove since human history is replete with evidence. Researchers have begun to make headway unraveling possible evolutionary origins of these behaviors and reasons for their maintenance in populations, and we advocate expanding these approaches to examine their role as agents of evolutionary change. Logic is supernatural; it cannot evolve, and it is not made of matter. Future research employing theoretical, comparative and experimental approaches could provide a greater understanding not only of how selection might have driven the evolution of same-sex sexual behaviors but also ways in which such behaviors act as selective forces that shape social, morphological and behavioral evolution. “Your claims are opinions,very narrow ones that ignore the social, economic, and psychological factors that define good parenting.”. Hey Jae, Millions of years of evolution have what??? circumstantial), especially as ideology may affect such scientifically impure actions. Moira Greyland plays stunning harp solos and sings beautiful songs including selections from the repertoire of Sarah Brightman and Andrea Bocelli. They didn’t have the antidote for the problem even though we believed in the same God ! Quite frankly, they need to be treated as the ideological and biology-denying fools that they are, and that they present to their opposition. Culture / Enemies / Nationalism / Philosophy / Politics / Religion. They all either cancel each other out (my position on the unreliable social studies), or, they’re all in for consideration. Arguing from atheist naturalist materialist bias it’s all random chance processes that got us here but as science confirms it’s completely impossible to have something come into being uncaused from nothing . Moira Greyland is the daughter of the late bestselling feminist fantasy/sci fi author Marion Zimmer Bradley. “The parents are complementary to their children’s language learning.” The positive findings are predicated on the father being involved with the children. I know what you’re getting at, I’ve read plenty of C.S. //percolate.blogtalkradio.com/offsiteplayer?hostId=533877&episodeId=10462525. It is a powerful testimony to courage, to hope, and to faith. Todd Musick (left) as drag queen ‘Stormy Vain’ (right). We eat, sleep, eliminate wastes, have sex, seek shelter, play, fight, show affection, care for young, etc. I think if you refrain from the veiled ad hominems we will get on fine . It is a story the world would love to get rid of but they will never succeed because Christ tells us not one jot or tittle will be removed from the law ( Torah) -it will last forever . Epic abundance Neither is an original research paper with data. ” It would seem that you are the one who needs the reality check, because homosexual behavior is observable throughout the animal kingdom (see Yale report) and same sex monogamous pair bonds form throughout society. You have to have faith that facts are facts. Moira’s is a personal topic which does involve the physical body . The left can claim that gay couples can do just as well as heterosexual couples in raising children, but every credible study disputes that. (As a side note, I am not hostile towards Christianity. If your only defense against the facts of the biological argument is going to be to continue to deny reality, rather than formulate an actual factual response, you’re going to cede your nasty little illegal ‘legal’ triumph much sooner than I anticipated. When I came through some still couldn’t deal with me . http://theweek.com/articles/551027/how-christianity-invented-children. Respectful comments and questions for Moira are welcome. No offence intended . Nature has determined that they are unfit to bear and raise offspring. It IS the homosexuality that is the problem. Let’s remember, the leftist ideology is currently in the incredibly illogical throes of trying to convince society that there is no such thing as sex or ‘gender’- well, unless you’re a tranny looking to cash in with a ‘reality’ show (oh, the oxymoron there!). Everyone in here has had something going in in their life . Several have pointed out the tangled web of bad logic inherent in the belief one can choose his or her identity apart from the biological systems God ordained. I did what I could, and I am easy to find, if ever I am needed to testify. has had some good podcasts recently on the tangled, self-defeating nature of identity politics when the Christian worldview is rejected. The universe began to exist . statistics for sexual abuse of children of gays, Bruce Jenner takes off his cross- and hands it to his children. I went into the library database at my university, downloaded the study, and read it prior to posting my comment. “You’d have a hard time proving that human beings are monogamous….”. I agree that BOTH religious arguments should be off the table. They shut it out . But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.” Epicabundance Despite her pagan upbringing she is a devout Catholic. Moira writes that her father also identified as a heterosexual but behaved as a homosexual pedophile. I don’t speak to her. Yet some people would call her an extremist for thinking that. Those things are widely known and accepted to have major, sometimes devastating effects on people. Create a free website or blog at WordPress.com. As Moira says above in her piece ” watch out for the VAST number of stories of sexual abuse AND transgenderism that will come about from these gay “marriages.” Already the statistics for sexual abuse of children of gays are astronomically high compared to that suffered by the children of straights.” The gay ” community ” can scream about its civil rights and equality but when those same civil rights result in a torrent of abuse then the system that supported it will collapse and so called seeming equality will rupture and be seen for the veneer that it is . Father’s parenting is unique and valuable, according to this article on Live Science ( http://www.livescience.com/51284-fathers-mothers-parent-differently.html) about research done at Washington State. Others here write about prisoners switching back-and-forth in their sexual identity. If you want to claim that the sky is yellow- the onus is on you to prove it. Jae Her mother was a bestselling science fiction author, a feminist icon, and the winner of … Up until the sick progressive ideology got hold of the culture, good, biological parenting was supported by society- not intentionally undermined by it.” This makes no sense and is not evidence based. I was flooded with letters from survivors of sexual abuse, all of which I tried to answer promptly with sympathy and warmth, (which knocked me out, emotionally, in a way I can barely describe!) God does not create a person with homosexual desires. Up until the sick progressive ideology got hold of the culture, good, biological parenting was supported by society- not intentionally undermined by it. “You cannot establish that IF you are a biological parent THEN you will be a good parent.”. Again, there are not credible studies that show SSP is inferior. Change ), You are commenting using your Twitter account. Those revelations gained public attention in 2018, when Marion Zimmer Bradley’s daughter, Moira Greyland, described abusive experiences from her youth, including how she came forward and brought her father, Walter Breen, to justice, in her book The Last Closet: The Dark Side of Avalon. If you think I’m cherry picking I suggest you get out from under the rock you’ve been living under. Actually, everybody exercises faith, and everybody is a supernaturalist who believes in miracles . doesn’t use the word “faith” in his conversations. I think your post should have been directed at vbigelow not me . That can be difficult . There are many examples of good parenting by non-biological and SS parents. I would just like to add that I have spoken privately to Katy via email. Man similarly doesn’t just spontaneously evolve from the dust of the ground . V Religion is the elephant in the room regarding all matters of morals and ethics and we’ve permitted Atheists, who have not had to explain or defend the foundation for their beliefs, which when fully explored are less likely to reflect reality, theoretically (the law of probability, alone, blows up the foundation of their theory), when compared to most other major religions, to eliminate only one side of the religious argument. It proves that only opposite sex mated individuals bear and raise their own offspring. "I was wrong about the story, and I was wrong to say what I did. This thread has devolved into little more than tit for tat, topped off by a sickening dose of threatening harm on an individual who doesn’t even know this discussion is taking place. We thank god daily for it . If their Atheist religious belief is permissible in the debate, so is everyone else’s, including Christians. Talk about what we can all agree on: That we all want what’s best for children and society. But, until I found ATB, I wasn’t aware of the vitriol being directed toward Christians, and only Christians on this issue, even though, as you correctly state, many other religions espouse the same principles and guidelines. It’s a glossy college publication that does a fine job of teaching science and non-science majors how to write current political or technical news magazine stories. He supports molecules to man evolution even though it is impossible . I think it it is a good argument and it’s a great support to people in here I’m sure and it is part of the richness of the debate my friend . We also point out that pedophilia and other forms of abusive parenting exist among hetero parents. What are we going to do now ? From an historical, factual basis, your conclusions about Christianity’s history or its effects on western civilization are either flat-out erroneous and/or highly debatable- but that isn’t the intent of my contributions at ATB. He is God .He is the way the truth and the life . There may also be good examples of dogs being good parents to cats, but, that would not be advantageous to their species or their species society. Now the chickens are coming home to roost. Where we differ is in our approach. So they have won that debate according to them at least . Of course not! Romans 1:26-27 teaches specifically that homosexuality is a result of denying and disobeying God. Take the truth from her slice of life and use it to illuminate your understanding of things. Agreed, Jae. (Admittedly so does the right) Many adult COGs have come forward with their stories and you claim it’s all “cherry-picking”. Adam was told to join himself with his wife in a one flesh bonding . But that is not going to slow me down one bit. Moira Greyland is the daughter of Marion Bradley, ... even the most secular of authorities have a notion of human nature — albeit a different one from that to which most religious people adhere. 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